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Help me choose! 19SBT or Coyote 20C

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10:33 pm
October 26, 2011


brockeverly

San Tan Valley, AZ

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I know, I know, totally different class in trailer, but I am torn. I am looking at a 2012 Coyote 20C with the upgrade and Boulder packages and a 2012 Sportsmen Classic 19SBT. It is easy to get lost in all the extras in the 20C so I wanted to hear from actual owners of both. 

About us, family of three in the Phoenix, AZ area (27,25, and 3 in Dec). We camp at least one weekend a month, and take at least two big trips a year in our current Coleman Santa Fe Cp pop up. We plan on heading to Yellowstone and Yosimite next year, and with a toddler being potty trained it would be nice to have something that she can use the bathroom in on the trip. It would also be nice to have an easy setup for the short overnights on the way up, as well as all the other trips we take. 

My TV is a 2010 4Runner 4×4 with 5000# tow rating with 500# tongue weight. We initially picked out a 22CT, but with a GVWR of 5000# (which we would never hit, we camp light from popup camping, dry weight is 3800#) and a tongue weight of 500#, I do not feel comfortable with it. This got us looking at the 20C (3500# dry, 4500# GVWR, 350# tongue) which is a much more manageable load with our tow vehicle. I have negotiated the price down to around $20k on this trailer, but have yet to sign because I am having an internal battle with what we need and what I want. For half the price and 1000# less the 19SBT seems to be a better option, but much smaller and less amenities. 

Those that own the 19SBT or similar, what are your opinions on this? Thanks!

7:21 am
October 27, 2011


bojewy

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I have had multiple campers, and I seem to get amneties that I seldom use. Are the amneties worth 10K? As far as the size, I find I spend more time outside the camper, than inside while camping unless weather becomes an issue. With the tent beds open it will seem more roomy, and I always enjoy the the scenery when the tent bed flaps are open. I own a 16RBT, and it works great for me. Added a solar panel for dry camping.

The lighter load will be easier on your TV. 

One thing to take into consideration regarding Yellowstone is that soft sided campers are not allowed in all campgrounds. Not sure about Yosemite.


My comments are made using KZ website 19SBT floorplan.


Good luck with your decision.

8:24 am
October 27, 2011


kayaknut

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Post edited 1:15 am – January 14, 2012 by kayaknut



8:41 am
October 27, 2011


camphappy

Regina, Canada

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Hey there.  We bought a 2011 19SBT this year after having a coleman tent trailer (yuma) for the last 7 years with 2 children ( 9 and 12 ).  Our tent trailer was small ( 10 ft box ) so the 19SBT seems quite large to us.  It has been nice having the bathroom with the kids for sure,  I find the setup so much easier and since we also do long roadtrips the overnights are also much easier.  We find the interior space sufficient and the amenities basic which suits us fine since we spend most of our time out and about anyway.  We never had any amenities in our old trailer so things like a freezer and air conditioning and a water heater and all kinds of storage ( that you can get to without having to unpack and flip galley's and crank up the trailer ) are quite a novelty. I have to say that the roof could be a little taller…I'm just over 6ft and don't clear it by much, however I think the 2012 models are 2 inches taller? 

As far as the weight is concerned…we  pull with a V6 toyota tacoma with a tow rating of 5000 lbs.  I find it pulls just fine…I did experience a very strong headwind once and struggled  a bit.  I am not used to wind drag since this was not an issue with the low profile of the tent trailer.  I would be hesitant to pull mountain grades with anything heavier in my situation. Overall I feel the SBT is a nice trailer and it meets all our needs just fine, but there are definitely higher end models out there if you feel that you need more amenities. Also the price was very reasonable we found.  Good luck and if any questions let me know. 

2011 Sportsmen classic 19SBT Towed with 2007 Toyota Tacoma TRD V6 4×4 with 4.0L engine and towing package

4:30 pm
October 27, 2011


kayaknut

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Post edited 1:16 am – January 14, 2012 by kayaknut


8:45 pm
October 27, 2011


Mike Magee

near Tulsa OK

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I agree with Kayaknut.  List the things you value in the Coyote that the Classic doesn't have.  How many of those things could be easily added to the Classic by the new owner?  Of those items that cannot, how important do they seem to you in making the camping experience what you want it to be?  This is something that only you can answer, of course.  If the Coyote has things on it that you just can't get (or readily add) with the Classic, then hey it's only money and if you have enough money for the payments you might as well enjoy it.  But once you consider that group of items in isolation, if they don't seem like they really justify the extra cost considering the number of days you'll actually use the toy, then economize with the Classic.

There's one more factor to consider.  Which one does your wife want you to buy?  Buy it.  "If momma ain't happy, ain't nobody happy."


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9:30 pm
October 27, 2011


brockeverly

San Tan Valley, AZ

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Thanks for the replies. 

She, of course, likes the more expensive trailer. That being said, I do to, but that is a given as it is a nice trailer. Weight wise, there is no comparison. I feel much safer with the Sportsmen being 1000# lighter and a foot shorter in height and length. 

During our trips we tend to stay outside, except for when the rains come. I think that the space available in the Sportsmen will be enough for us to entertain ourselves though. For the parks that do not allow soft sides, couldn't you just keep the trailer turtled and use the table converted to a bed?

9:05 pm
October 28, 2011


Mike Magee

near Tulsa OK

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Not sure if any 19sbt owners are on here (and reading posts) to reply with specifics.  If not, you may have to view one at a dealer lot and see if the canvas is out of the way enough that you can use those spaces.  It probably is.

The foot of height will made a noticeable difference in wind resistance, I would think.

2008 Toyota Highlander – 2011 Escape E14RB

7:05 am
October 29, 2011


Mike & Diana

Lake Corpus Christi Texas

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Here's my put, for what it's worth. There are several Sportsman models you may want to checkout. If there are just the three of you, and you don't want the soft side pull outs, you may want to look at the the new 200. If you do plan to grow the family or just want some extra storage, you may want to see the 2011 19BH. As for towing, and speaking from experience, we pulled our 19SB with a V6 and experienced some very poor performance with wind/terrain. Now pull with a V8 and all is well. I really wouldn't reco going over 16' with a V6. Trust me, you'll feel much more @ ease.

9:10 am
October 29, 2011


ron_sue

Soddy Daisy Tennessee

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Post edited 2:38 am – October 30, 2011 by ron_sue


Although my vehicle is a v8, (4.7l) i would bet that your 4.0 v6 to be just as capable or more so to pull either of those campers, although don't expect either to feel  or act anything like a pop-up at over 40 mph, and don't expect to be able to drive much over 60 while pulling it.  we looked at quite a few before we found our sportsmen, we were looking to stay under 18 ft.  i came from pop-ups too and used to them tucking in neatly behind me  out of the way so the 8 ft. widths most brands offered were my biggest hangup at first since i find myself in "situations" when we travel (your Apache trail comes to mind) where space becomes a premium. also, i like being able to see behind me and the wide body trailers don't match up as well to midsized tugs.  you will probably find that the weight is not as big of a deal as the frontal area.   when you are pulling out of the dealership you will think to yourself that this pulls just like our pop-up only taller.  however, the taller, wider, longer  the "sail" behind you is, the more it will become a force to recon with as speed increases.  add one of those fabulous new Mexico headwinds or worse yet cross wind and it gets serious.

  Just thoughts to confuse you more. i would stay as small as possible. the 16rbt looks like it is essentially the same box only shorter.  it might even save you 5-15k.  another thought, and i apologize for having it but more than one happy camper has traded up never to camp again so be careful. (sorry, meaning: it has to stay fun.  if you struggle with wind and engine heat all day worrying that you are holding up or cutting off traffic etc. you might as well be home watching the sun devils.)


2011 14RB /2006 dodge dakota 4×4 (giddy up 4.7l v8) (whoa prodigy p2) Everybody needs beauty as well as bread, places to play in and pray in, where nature may heal and give strength to body and soul. John Muir

12:02 am
November 2, 2011


brockeverly

San Tan Valley, AZ

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Thanks for all the info guys! After processing the info found here and on other forums I am on, I have decided to stick with a pop up for now. I do not want to deal with the increased issues in towing a HTT with my current TV just to save a little setup time. We are fabbing up a cargo extension for my current pup now that will allow the beds to be fully slid out while attached to the TV solving the bulk of my reason for wanting to upgrade.

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