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8:19 am
April 26, 2011
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pfidahospud
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FoCoNoCo-
I completely understand what you mean about comparing different manufacturers for similar (identical?!?) floorplans. If our KZ dealer wasn't 8 miles away and great to deal with, we would have gone with the AR-ONE, with which we did some extensive comparisons. In my area the AR-ONE does cost more for the extras. But specifically about the shower, I'm just thinking if the wallboard is made impermeable with a spray-on wax, there's no chance of moisture getting to the framework structure underneath. BTW, I thought the trailer has aluminum studs — but I could be completely wrong about that. Still isn't good to have moisture where it doesn't belong!
Stephen
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8:49 am
April 26, 2011
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FoCoNoCo
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Post edited 3:51 pm – April 26, 2011 by FoCoNoCo
Stephen, thanks for the reply. My understanding from an email excerpt from another post, is that the Sportsmen Classics are wood stud with rolled insulation, while the Spree Escapes use laminated sidewalls with aluminum studs (aluminum studs to help offset the higher weight of the fiberglass). As for the the shower thing, I would be more concerned about water getting around minor holes or openings in the caulking etc more so than saturation of the wall material. As for the Starcrafts, they are about $2,000 less here than the K-Z's, similarly equipped and similar size.I wasn't sure how to copy an entire post to quote here, but this is a response that 2outforfun posted back in February 2011….
To answer your question, The main differences are the exterior, fiberglass for the Escape and Aluminum for the Classic, more headroom in the Escape, approximately 2″ than the Classic and 14″wheels as standard on the Escape. In addition, you can choose your interior décor in the Escape (3 choices) versus no choices for the Classic. On the Classic we use leftover fabric, flooring and wall boards. The Escape has the same flooring as the Spree and the interior walls and countertops due not change.
The Escape floors are the same as the Classic floors, ½" plywood on 2″ x 2″ wood studs. The Escape walls are a laminated sidewall with aluminum studs and foam block insulation. The Classic is batten insulation between wood studs with an aluminum exterior.
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4:38 pm
April 27, 2011
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Mike Magee
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Post edited 11:39 pm – April 27, 2011 by Mike Magee
Right before I bought my Escape 14RB, I was looking at the same floorplan in a Skyline at another local dealer. It was priced about the same as the Classic, and just a few hundred less than the Escape. I commented about fiberglass laminate sidewalls, and he said I would probably never see a budget level trailer like this in FG laminate, because it costs much more to produce and is more durable… so expect such a trailer to cost about $3000 more. Well, that did not encourage me to buy from him at all. All he accomplished was to build value in my mind for the Escape!
It feels good to have those aluminum studs and that shiny smooth exterior. 
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5:56 pm
April 28, 2011
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Sportsman Matt
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Biggest thing to remember is that according to KZ, the walls can get wet, but KZ doesn't cover damage by water to the walls. Sort of a catch-22 in the shower. Also if you plan on spraying the walls with some form of sealer, you must also make sure all the staples are sealed also. That's where the enclosure is better, as you can install the panels over the existing wall material, and seal the edges of the enclosure with caulking.
And one thing about the studs, wood tends to 1) prevent cold transfer from outside to inside, which cold transfer results in condensation buildup with the right temperatures and humidity, and 2) much easier to repair in the field if needed.
Aluminum is stronger, but aluminum studs will cause cold transfer, creating water forming on interior walls if the temperatures and humidity are right. Also if you need to replace an aluminum stud, it's much more labor intense, not something that can be done out in the field, but in a specialty shop.
Considering the average trailers today have a typical average lifespan of about 10 years of usage, due to upgrades and the way people tend to trade them in and depreciation, I look at it this way, I could spend $14,000 on a trailer with all the bells and whistles I don't need, or $9,995 for a trailer that I need to put less than $500 into to make it what I want and what I need. And I can spend the difference I would have spent on a different manufacturer's trailer, on refreshments and campsite fees.
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3:44 pm
April 29, 2011
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wrenchist
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I put small velcro tabs in the corners and ends of the shower walls then placed corresponding tabs on a second shower curtain and hung it on the shower wall with the two curtains overlapping. It goes up fast and once dry it is easily stored.
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8:01 am
July 22, 2011
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Cheryl
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wrenchist said:I put small velcro tabs in the corners and ends of the shower walls then placed corresponding tabs on a second shower curtain and hung it on the shower wall with the two curtains overlapping. It goes up fast and once dry it is easily stored.
Hi, I like your simple method of keeping the walls dry. I'm trying to picture how the two curtains overlap. What wall are the 2 curtains overlapping on?
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11:35 am
July 22, 2011
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wrenchist
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The auxiliary curtain starts where the curtain rod meets the wall on the left ( facing the tub ). It follows around the wall and ends at the shower nozzle. I removed the curtain hanger from the left end of the main curtain and placed a Velcro tad in that corner and adhered a corresponding tab on the auxiliary curtain about a foot from the corner to create the overlap there. I removed the right side main curtain hanger and velcroed it to the wall next to the shower head. I don't have an over lap at that end so I can access the faucet but the curtains meet. I get a very minimum amount of water on the wall there because the water sprays away.
Let me know I you want me to post a photo.
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9:08 pm
July 22, 2011
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Cheryl
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Yes, I would like a photo, please. I have an idea, but I'm not quite sure what you mean by "removing the right side main curtain hanger and velcroed it to the wall next to the shower head." I bought a curtain today, just need the velcro now.
Thanks
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9:04 am
July 23, 2011
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wrenchist
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10:22 am
July 23, 2011
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Winterpegger
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In my 14RB I noticed that some times the tap in the tub dribbles back onto the edge of the tub.
If the trailer is not leveled with a slight angle to the aircondioner side, the water runs over onto the floor. This angle also keeps the run off from the aircondioner from backing up and draining inside the trailer.
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