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6:27 am
October 21, 2012


pbmazda32

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I'm new to the forum. Have never owned a truck or a camper. I've pretty much decided to get a camper in the hopes of spending a little more time enjoying life and my family and less time watching tv or working. 

I've looked around at a lot of campers and I've spent some time staying in and working on my Dads Airstream. I can not afford an Airstream so I've decided on a Spree Escape E243S. I think it will fit the family well. GVWR on this trailer is 4500lbs. 

I've been hunting for a tow vehicle on a budget. Basically I do not want to go in debt. The truck will also have to be a daily driver. I found a 2001 Dodge Dakota SLT crew cab with the 4.7l V8. Tow rating is 6100lbs and from what I can find ( not 100% sure on this), the hitch weight is almost double that of the camper. The truck has alot of miles on it but is in excellent shape. I'm no stranger to vehicles and rebuilding an engine or swapping a tranny is no big deal. Just a hassle. 

To all of you who are already towing a camper, does this seem like a good combination of trailer and tow vehicle? I know I'm probably further ahead with a "full size" truck, but I like the size of the Dakota for everyday use. It's not huge and the turning radious is great. Shouldn't be all that much different than my small car.


Thanks everyone, and be honest with your replies. 

10:16 am
October 21, 2012


ron_sue

Soddy Daisy Tennessee

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Post edited 10:06 pm – October 25, 2012 by ron_sue


Whew….. honestly, a 24 ft. trailer is too much for that truck.  can you tow  it, probably.  will you enjoy it, probably not.  a ram set up the same would probably be worse since the 4.7 would be dragging a heavier truck body.  our trailer is just a little more than half that size and it can be a hand full under some conditions (mountains and head winds).  maybe a earlier ram with a 360 ci. engine (i think some dakotas had that option), a 5.7 ford, etc.,  then there is all ways the d word (diesel).  

again, honestly trailers over 16 ft. have a different set of requirements for safe comfortable towing than our little classics.   i was looking at one time at an 18ft. trailer  with a slide and thinking lincoln navigator.  i knew of someone that used an escalade to pull a similar (to what you are considering) trailer.  they did ok, but the gas stations did better. 

just my opinion, but if you are counting votes…….

Edit on 10/25

Here is how the dakota works for me when towing;

0-30mph i can take off like a mustang (spinning tires and all i'm sure but i would pay for that for miles if sue was in the truck  :) 30-60  on flat ground takes a little more effort than when empty but still not bad.  at 60-65 on flat ground i can run in overdrive, and in "hilly" areas 55-60 is comfortably in tow/haul.  however, one of the first things that i have to do when traveling to one of our favorites is  climb a mountain.  like i said later in this thread i  had pop-ups at one time. what i did not say was that i tried to tow one of them with a 4cyl. chevy wagon climbing the same mountain.  i would have to turn my flashers on and creep up.  although not as bad, the dakota handles it very similar.  i have found a sweet spot around 45 mph that seems to work.  any faster and the trannie hunts, and the temps (coolant and transmission) head into the 200+ range quick.  all that while delivering about 6 mpg. i refuse to push it any harder.

2011 14RB /2006 dodge dakota 4×4 (giddy up 4.7l v8) (whoa prodigy p2) Everybody needs beauty as well as bread, places to play in and pray in, where nature may heal and give strength to body and soul. John Muir

1:36 pm
October 21, 2012


camphappy

Regina, Canada

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Hey there!  I just want to start out by saying you're making a great choice to camp as it is the ultimate family time.  We've been camping as a family for the last 10 years and it can't be beat.  

We tow the 19SBT ( dry weight 2750lbs ) with a 07 Tacoma 4L V6 with 6500lb tow capacity and if you are in a strong cross or head wind or climbing hills/mountains it can be a bit daunting at times even with this combination.  We have the same concerns as you in that we wanted a truck that would be for everyday use as well when not hauling.  We didn't want to go to a V8 due to the high cost of gas.  I truly think that you will be underpowered and could be dangerous.  How far will you be driving to camp?  What kind of terrain will you be driving in?  Have you considered a smaller trailer?  We camp with 2 kids ( 10 and 13 ) plus a small dog and do just fine in our rig.  Consider what you need vs what you want…you will likely be spending the majority of your time outside if your like us.  Good luck.

Paul

2011 Sportsmen classic 19SBT Towed with 2007 Toyota Tacoma TRD V6 4×4 with 4.0L engine and towing package

9:04 am
October 23, 2012


sandersmr

Texas

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I pull my 16BH with an F150 and 4.6L V8, and I know the trailer is back there when even going up TX hills and especially in a head wind.  It will start searching for a lower gear when trying to maintain anything above 60.

Also reemember your payload is going to have to include passengers and cargo in the truck as well as tongue weight.

2010 16BH towed by 2002 F-150 Super Crew 4.6L V8

6:48 pm
October 23, 2012


ron_sue

Soddy Daisy Tennessee

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"Have never owned a truck or a camper. I've pretty much decided to get a camper in the hopes of spending a little more time enjoying life and my family and less time watching tv or working."

 one more honest moment.  my previous two campers were pop-ups.  as the kids got older, they took on some of the tasks required for setup and take down which made them feel like they had contributed to the effort.  eventually we would hit the ground on a new campground like a small well trained army, definitely a family building experience.  and their experiences  and memories of camping stay with them forever. (my oldest is talking Appalachian trail thru hike lately!)  you have already made the right choice to spend more time enjoying life and family and thats ALL that matters.  whether its a tarp suspended on a rope between two trees or a luxury coach, the only thing that matters is dad took us camping. 


2011 14RB /2006 dodge dakota 4×4 (giddy up 4.7l v8) (whoa prodigy p2) Everybody needs beauty as well as bread, places to play in and pray in, where nature may heal and give strength to body and soul. John Muir

3:01 pm
October 24, 2012


Mike M

SE Massachusetts

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As many have said on here before, it's not so much the weight, but the wind resistance when towing these boxes down the road.  However, in your proposed scenario you're looking at a double whammy. The RV you're considering is on the heavier side of the lightweight category, and the Spree series sits just a little higher than the Classics so catches a bit more breeze.  If you're never going to venture any further than your local area you might be o/k, but getting up on the big road and heading for the hills will tax that 'lil Dodge into submission. 

My tow vehicle also has a 6100lb rating, and when I considered trailers I set myself a weight limit of roughly half that to try and ensure a comfortable towing experience no matter what.

Mike M.

2012 190 pulled by a 2011 F150 Supercab 3.7 2wd.

4:08 pm
October 27, 2012


pbmazda32

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Thank you everyone for your input. Here's an update. I passed on the Dakota. I think if it had a 318 or 360 in it I would have went for it.

Good news is I found a truck. Bought a 2000 F150 SLT Supercrew. 5.4l Triton V8. Has the factory tow package with the larger transmission and the tranny cooler. Everything for the camper is prewired and working. Just needs a brake controller. Even has a good set of Michelin tires and super comfy seats. Took it to the ford dealer and they said max trailer weight for that Vin is 8300 lbs. Seems a little high to me but it should give me plenty of headroom for what I'm looking at. 

What do you all think?

Now I just have to settle on a camper. 

4:50 pm
October 27, 2012


Mike M

SE Massachusetts

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Great truck, it'll have no problem pulling anything in the Classic line, and you won't regret the extra towing capacity.  Hopefully gas mileage isn't on your list of things to be concerned about, because even completely unloaded it's not that great.  In exchange though, you get good torque, which makes towing more pleasurable.

One area of concern:  5.4's were prone to significant spark plug problems.  They used a stupid plug design that hung a long unthreaded section down into the combustion chamber.  This section carbons up and causes the plugs to be next to impossible to get out.  There are scores and scores of cases where the heads have had to come off, a job that's worth more than the truck at 12 years old.  Find out if the plugs have been done or if they need doing.  If you own it and it needs plugs, find someone who has experience dealing with them.  The methods for working on them have evolved over the years, and you don't want someone who has never faced them just taking a shot at it.  Guaranteed breakage.  They are not for the squeamish.

Mike M.

2012 190 pulled by a 2011 F150 Supercab 3.7 2wd.

11:02 am
October 29, 2012


ron_sue

Soddy Daisy Tennessee

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Good move.  I am not one to jump in and say no that easily, but knowing what i know about what we have, i just could not imagine pulling anything bigger  with a dakota.   

2011 14RB /2006 dodge dakota 4×4 (giddy up 4.7l v8) (whoa prodigy p2) Everybody needs beauty as well as bread, places to play in and pray in, where nature may heal and give strength to body and soul. John Muir

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